The PBM Truth Podcast

FULLDISCLOSURE Podcast: PBM Transparency, Spread Pricing and Fiduciary Duty

Where Healthcare Benefits Get Real

The pharmacy benefit management industry operates in the shadows. Hidden fees. Spread pricing. Rebate games that cost employers millions. We pull back the curtain — one episode at a time.

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Full Disclosure is built for brokers, consultants, employers, TPAs, and healthcare leaders who want direct conversations without the industry fog.

Andy Rodriguez and Chris Estep — hosts of Full Disclosure Podcast
Host

ANDY RODRIGUEZ

Director of Business Development focused on helping benefits leaders understand pharmacy spend, fiduciary accountability, and smarter PBM strategy.

Host

CHRIS ESTEP

Director of Business Development

Healthcare benefits professional bringing practical insight, direct questions, and real-world perspective to the issues employers and brokers face every day.

About the Show

NO FLUFF.
NO SPIN.

Full Disclosure is a podcast dedicated to exposing the truth about pharmacy benefit management. Each episode breaks down how PBMs operate, how plan sponsors and brokers can protect themselves, and what fiduciary accountability actually looks like in practice.

"The podcast that follows
the money in pharmacy benefits."

The PBM industry moves hundreds of billions annually through a system engineered to obscure costs, inflate spreads, and hide who is actually getting paid. Brokers, HR leaders, CFOs, and plan sponsors deserve the facts.


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~80%
Of US prescriptions run through 3 PBMs. Source: FTC, 2024
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ERISA fiduciary duty covers your pharmacy benefit
What We Cover

THE REAL CONVERSATIONS

PBM Truth

Spread pricing, rebate retention, contract games, and the financial incentives most employers never get to see.

Fiduciary Risk

What brokers, consultants, plan sponsors, and employers need to understand before recommending or renewing a pharmacy benefit strategy.

Employer Cost Strategy

Practical conversations around self-funded plans, pharmacy costs, vendor alignment, and benefit decisions that impact the bottom line.

The Middleman's Cut: Steve Ditto on Who Really Profits in Healthcare
Who is really looking out for employers and patients when it comes to healthcare costs? Author Steve Ditto unpacks the role middlemen play in driving costs up.
Episode 771 min
The Self-Funding Tipping Point with Katrina Johnson of Gallagher
Many mid-market employers believe they cannot afford to self-fund. Katrina Johnson of Gallagher explains why that is often wrong and what it takes to make the switch.
Episode 643 min
The Evolution of the Broker's Role with Winston Walters of HUB International
The broker's job has moved far beyond picking a plan. Winston Walters of HUB International on what separates modern advisors from the traditional broker model.
Episode 532 min
Follow the Money: Chris Deacon on Healthcare Transparency and Reform
Is healthcare complexity protecting employers and patients, or the business models behind the scenes? A two-part conversation with healthcare attorney Chris Deacon.
Episode 470 min
Fixing a Broken Benefits System with Dave Chase of Health Rosetta
Dave Chase has pushed employers and advisors to stop accepting opaque contracts and misaligned incentives. Here is what it actually takes to fix a broken benefits system.
Episode 353 min
The Truth About PBM Spread Pricing with Brian Schram
What exactly is spread pricing, and why is it one of the most controversial practices in pharmacy benefits? Brian Schram breaks it down from the broker, employer and PBM side.
Episode 234 min
Why DisclosedRx Exists: Co-Founder Zack Robinson on Building a Transparent PBM
In the debut episode, DisclosedRx co-founder Zack Robinson explains the problem he saw in pharmacy benefits and why he built something different.
Episode 150 min
Coming Soon
The Hidden Barriers Driving Your Drug Spend
Erik Abel joins to break down two of the most complex and misunderstood forces in pharmacy benefits -- biosimilar substitution and the prior authorization process that too often blocks access to care.
Coming Soon
The Fiduciary Landmine in Your PBM Contract
A deep dive into how PBM contract carve-outs create hidden fiduciary exposure for plan sponsors -- and why most brokers are not having this conversation with their clients.
Coming Soon
PBM Basics

QUESTIONS WE
GET ASKED

What is a PBM?

A pharmacy benefit manager, or PBM, runs the prescription drug benefit for an employer or health plan. PBMs negotiate with drug makers, build pharmacy networks, process claims and decide which drugs are covered.

What is PBM spread pricing?

Spread pricing is when a PBM charges the plan more for a drug than it pays the pharmacy and keeps the difference. The plan sponsor usually cannot see that spread unless the contract requires full disclosure. Read the full guide →

What does a pass-through PBM mean?

In a pass-through model the PBM passes drug costs and manufacturer rebates directly to the plan and is paid a disclosed fee instead of earning hidden margin on each claim. Read the full guide →

Are employers fiduciaries for their pharmacy benefit?

Yes. Under ERISA, sponsors of self-funded group health plans owe fiduciary duties to plan participants, and that includes prudently selecting and monitoring the PBM and the fees it is paid. Read the full guide →

What does CAA 2026 change for PBM contracts?

The Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2026 requires PBMs serving ERISA group health plans to report detailed drug spending to plan sponsors at least twice a year and to pass through 100% of rebates and related payments. Most provisions apply to plan years beginning on or after August 3, 2028. Read the full guide →

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